September 1, 2009

Jim Thome now a Dodger...Hall of Fame next?

When news circulated around the interwebs that the Chicago White Sox had sent out a memo stating that a number of their players were available to whoever wanted them...you kinda knew the night would end with a few guys getting dealt.

Such was the case for Jim Thome.

The future Hall of Famer (yes, I said it...more on that later) packed his bags following a 4-1 loss to the Minnesota Twins and headed west to Los Angeles.

According to reports, Dodgers general manager Ned Colleti envisions Thome playing a role similar to the one Matt Stairs filled for the World Series champion Phillies last year.

"We're not brining him over here to play first base," Colleti told ESPN. "We're bring him here to come off the bench and be a great influence in the clubhouse. He's one of the true great guys in the game."

In all honesty, Thome has been a great guy for The Hall of Very Good as well. Allow me to explain.

Nearly two years I wrote the following and a powder keg was ignited.

There you have it...Thome is very good, not great. Hall of
Famer? Perhaps…but not on the first couple of ballots.

To this day, Google is still directing people (mostly those who look for information on "Jim Thome and steroids" or "Jim Thome and the Hall of Fame") to
a little post where I suggested that Jim Thome might not make it into the Hall of Fame on his first ballot.

Since then, he's hit 66 more home runs and is sitting at 564 for his career. That's right, the guy is now 12th all-time, but I still stand by my claim...Thome will NOT be a first ballot Hall of Famer.

Why? My reasoning is the same as it was two years ago.

His home run total, while incredible, will not be as eye popping five years after Thome's retirement.

Basically, we’ve got a guy who smacked the Hell out of the ball, but was never the most dominant, much less feared, player of his era. And because of that, he'll get lost in the mix.

Sorry to cue up that broken record, but when the news of Thome heading to Los Angeles to join former Indian teammate and fellow bomber Manny Ramirez leads SportsCenter...I'm compelled to chime in.



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7 comments:

Anonymous said...

Thome is a hall of Famer. Why?

Harmon Killebrew. Killbrew has 573 HR but a loust .256 AVG, decent .376 obp and a weak .509 slugging% considering he was a power hitter.

Thome has a .278 AVG, excellent 0.404 obp and .557 slugging%. He has over 200 more tuns cored, has or will finish with more rbi's than Killebrew. He's also a 5 time allstar though it should really be eight considering three straight years he's top five in mvp including a 4th place finish but no allstar nod.

Jesus Melendez said...

You're missing out on a few key facts if you want to fairly compare Killebrew with Thome.

Killer was the all-time leader in home runs hit by a right handed hitter when he retired...that's huge. He had an MVP award (1969) and was in the top five five other times. He was selected to 11 All-Star games...13 if you include both 1959and 1961 games. And the big one...he was elected on his fourth try.

So, again, tell me why I am off base when I suggest Thome might not be a first ballot guy?

Anonymous said...

To say jim thome was never feared is completely false. In his prime pitchers feared him just like any other gtreat homerun hitter case in point his walk totals (1619).Which by the way is the most by any active player. Also Thome has never been in any steriods scandals and is a class act in the game since he began as a rookie til this day. If he plays two more years on an American League team there is no doubt he will get to the 600 club which then guarrantees him first ballot HOF. But he is already is!

Anonymous said...

To say jim thome was never feared is completely false. In his prime pitchers feared him just like any other gtreat homerun hitter case in point his walk totals (1619).Which by the way is the most by any active player. Also Thome has never been in any steriods scandals and is a class act in the game since he began as a rookie til this day. If he plays two more years on an American League team there is no doubt he will get to the 600 club which then guarrantees him first ballot HOF. But he is already is!

DrFrankLives said...

Clearly a Hall of Famer. When you look at his numbers, he's among the top 5 first basemen of all time.

You got Gehrig. And then you got Thome, as far as I am concerned, and Thome never had Ruth in the same order.

He is a better fielder than Gehrig was, judged by errors committed at the position. And his at bats per home run is 5th ALL TIME.

McGwire had to juice up to be Thome.

He was robbed in 2001 when he finished 7th in AL-MVP voting but had by far the best numbers of anyone, including A Rod.

Ryan said...

*Update* Thome's HR count is 586. Odds are he sticks around another year just to make sure he clears 600, which would seal the HoF deal in my opinion. He's now 8th on the career HR list, and 5th if you discount the known roiders (Sosa, Bonds, A-Rod). Question - has Thome always been clean? I wish the MLBPA would disclose the 100+ known roiders so we could settle this once and for all. If Thome was clean, then send him to the Hall.

rzwilling said...

*Update* Thome at 586 HRs is 8th on the all-time list, and 5th if you discount Sosa, Bonds, and A-Rod. If Thome has been clean through his career, he deserves to be in the HoF. Will we ever know for sure? Maybe if the MLBPA would disclose the list of players who tested positive... for the sport's sake.