September 30, 2011

Hey, Tito...This Doesn't Look Good

Now that his employment is in jeopardy, much is going to be made of the Terry Francona-led Boston Red Sox and their collapse (7-20 in September!) and, well, it probably should.

What intially plays like a throwaway paragraph after the jump of a story that appeared over at BostonHerald.com was picked up by the always insightful Aaron Gleeman over at HardballTalk.

John Tomase of the Boston Herald has some details on how the Red Sox’s clubhouse atmosphere deteriorated this season, including a report that “more than one pitcher drank beer in the clubhouse during games on the days he didn’t pitch”.

Because relievers don’t really have off days that suggests “pitchers” are really “starting pitchers” and that narrows down the list of candidates considerably.

Alright...I'm with Gleeman on this one.  This is kinda huge.

Sure, sure, Tomase mentions the trite "clubhouse imbibing is a tradition as old as baseball itself"...but why is that acceptable?  Furthermore, why is that acceptable while your team is in the midst of a pennant chase and an historic collapse?!?

Most importantly though...how do we know it was just the pitchers on their off days AND how common is this elsewhere throughout the Majors?



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23 comments:

Anonymous said...

Ummm, who cares? This isn't a story.

Jesus Melendez said...

Seriously? How is this NOT a story?!?

1. It shows lack of control by the team's manager.

2. If this proves to be true and if it extends beyond players on their off day or, even, beyond the Red Sox...holy cow!

3. There was, it appeared, a significant rise in the number of players getting popped for DUIs this season. If they're drinking ON THE JOB and then getting busted...this is a big deal.

Not a story? Ask Josh Hancock's family if players drinking in the clubhouse is a story or not...then get back to me.

Anonymous said...

Who cares! Jesus relax. My father was a major league coach. This has been going on forever, in every club house. It's now a big deal braces the Sox lost a lead. If they win by one game- this story is never written.

Writer just killing time,

Anonymous said...

I hope Franconais not fired so he can do this same mismaging next year! GO YANKS!!

Rob said...

Yeah I agree, this is a non-story. This can only be looked at as losing control of the clubhouse if he told the pitchers not to and they did it anyway. I'm not sure this can be in any way linked to their poor performance, especially if it was the starting pitcher's off day.
Did any of the Red Sox get busted for DUIs this year, as they were leaving the club house? I don't remember such a story.
Again, non-story for a good manager who had to deal with bad injuries and a suddenly depleted starting pitching depth.

TomM46 said...

Adults drinking beer-a non story.

Anonymous said...

Jesus Melendez... Get real buddy.

1 Doesn't show a lack of control by the manager as he isn't even around the pitchers who have a day off. He's in the dugout...

2 You said "If this proves to be true and if it extends beyond players on their off day or, even, beyond the Red Sox...holy cow!"

Wrong again. First off, it DOES extend beyond the RedSox.. Duh. The story is only about players on their day off. I'm pretty sure there are no 1st basemen taking shots in the bottom of the 3rd. You can IF IF IF yourself til the cows come home, it still isn't a story.

3 The number of players getting DUI's has nothing to do with this story.. At all.

As far as Josh Hancocks family you mentioned. Even they know he was drinking at a steak house and not at the ballpark. So again, this has nothing to do with this non story.

Get a grip pal.

Jesus Melendez said...

IF, IF, IF alcohol in the clubhouse is a "non story"...why have a number of Major League teams prohibited it in recent years?

Anonymous said...

Why have a number of teams NOT prohibited it? Some teams are wanting to prohibit energy drinks. Must be a HUGEEEE problem. You can break that story next. Hurry, news is on at 11

Michael said...

You have to understand that Tomase is a low life and he has a history of making up the news instead of reporting the news. Any article he writes should be in the fiction section of the paper.

Anonymous said...

Unless alcohol is forbidden in the clubhouse, who the hell cares? If you are not drinking on the job, then who cares. If you are not working that day, I dont see the harm. Unless you consider any day at the park a work day regardless of whether you will be in the game. That is the question.

Dennis said...

Of course we are now going to get every low life reporter trying to dig up dirt trying to make a name for themselves. This is a non-story and completely ridiculous!! If you were actually a reporter of any stature you would not even go there. Go work for the National Sleeze Bag Journal!!

Anonymous said...

Non-story, started by Henry who wants to retain Theo, and doesn't understand why the fans dislike "the wonder boy", and will be angry that Tito is leaving.

Didn't the boy wonder pick all of these players. Let the Cubs have Theo (he can wear the gorilla suit on the way out). The fans want Tito to stay. Really JH an "incident" on the boat...really trying to manipulate public opinion your way

Anonymous said...

After losing a 9.5 game lead in 30 days everything is a big deal. Everything should be looked at. If this is creating a distraction it should be prohibited, period.

Anonymous said...

Beer in the clubhouse seems like a good idea to me. Refreshing, nutritious, healthful. As long as they keep a ban on sodas, y'now high fructose corn syrup and caffeine, then it's fine to have some clubhouse refreshments. They do ban those dangerous sodas, don't they?

Joe said...

yaaaawwwwwwwwnnnnnn...
must be that third beer i had in the bottom of the third inning of last night's game...

Legitimate news sources will report it this way: yaaaawwwwwwwwnnnnnn...

This whole article is insulting to my intelligence. If the National Enquirer gets a whiff of this, they'll be the ONLY ones - besides YardFarter - to make anything of it.

Sheesh.

Anonymous said...

Do ya think beer pong is prohibited?...drunks or not I still love em!

Anonymous said...

Does anybody remember this? The fact of the matter is, this behavior had been going on in the MLB for years and is probably considered tradition in a lot of ball clubs. If the cicumstances had been different and they made the playoff's, this would be a non-news worthy story. Bottom line is they just didn't have it this year...

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1913986

Anonymous said...

It's simple if you are in uniform you are working. NO DRINKING. Pitchers do not get days off just not there day to start. IN UNIFORM MEANS YOU ARE WORKING.

ALittleCranky said...

In uniform means you are working, so no drinking huh?
So the players can't have a beer on practice days?
So the players need to remove their uniforms after they win the championship to have champagne?
Where's the rule written?

Anonymous said...

what r u bitchin about? Beer? so what? Better than steriods.

Anonymous said...

if you cant have a drink when your not working(i notice they are not saying folks were drunk) then what is next. wait i know home owners associations saying what you can do with your land they don't pay for. or city ordinance to do the same. what next telling you that you cant have a rusty truck that runs fine cause it doesn't look good when driving down the road? fact is this whole article is made on sources that are not shared. it could have been the parking garage attendant who said he heard from the soda machine vender that the hot dog girl told him that the.... you get my point. where is the proof? who can respect a gossip with nothing backing what they say as a real news person?

Anonymous said...

i can't believe the amount of commentors backing the players here. these spoiled rotten millionaires don't need your support. they need discipline!

in uniform means working and on the job! so, yes, no drinking while working! what a bad example that sets for your teammates and fans.